Fair Fights, Pre-school visit and Thanks James

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Good Morning….

We’ll get back to a little news

More Fair Fights
So we find out in this morning’s Register that now Des Moines Police are saying the firsts that broke out outside the Fairgrounds both weekends of the Fair may not have been race motivated after all. There are a lot of conflicting reports here and the Police had a much different story yesterday then they did at first when this story broke. So how many of you believe there are roving bands of young people randomly beating people up on the East side? I guess I have a hard time with that one. I think more likely there were some people who got out of hand after a long weekend day, or more accurately, night at the Fair. Are there racial tensions in this town? I think we’ve seen recently that there are. Is this a place where someone may have said something that would have escalated a situation from bad to worse? I would says yes.
It’s been my experience when things like this happen that you have a lot of people representing accounts of the “fact” that weren’t actually there. they may have been nearby, they may have heard it from their brother…whatever. That story gets passed on and so on and so on. Don’t get me wrong, this was news and it is never good in any part of town when a big fight breaks out like this. But to hear some people talk, we are on the edge of race riots here in Des Moines. I may be woefully out of touch, but it I have a hard time believing that.

Pre-school Visit
We went over to the boys pre-school this morning to show them the room and introduce them to their teachers. It looks like a fun place. I think Mom and dad are going to have a harder time leaving them, than they will have leaving us.

Thanks James
…For yesterday’s post! I wanted to continue our look at what the founder/what our government says about the separation of church and state. Here’s one from The Washington administration…It’s a treaty signed (actually by Adams) negotiated in Washington’s first term.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion–as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], …

-(“Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary,” 1796-1797

Just a reminder, the Senate has to vote to ratify and the President had to sign that treaty.

Here’s what James Madison had to say about the matter:

And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one
has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity,
the less they are mixed together.

And I’m happy to continue the conversation…
Have a good day


  • lorrie

    Hi Pat,

    I'm having a hard time with all the news reporting of the fights that broke out at (or near) the fairgrounds. First of all, why does it matter if the fights were racial or not. The fact is that a bunch of black people attacked a bunch of white people. Now, I may not be the brighest color in the box, but come on – what else would it be than racial?? I think the police (and media??) are downplaying the racial card because they are afraid of the blacks retaliating. Just a thought.

  • Patrick Dix

    Just my opinion, but words are important here.
    To me, a racially motivated crime would be one where the attacker sought out someone who was white and attacked them solely because of their race.
    A race related incident would be one where two groups were both around the fairgrounds and just got into it…one happened to be white and the other black.
    It's the difference between the KKK and someone who is simply in the wrong place at the wrong time
    I think it's important that we figure out which this is before jumping to conclusions…and yes if it were the other way around I would want to hear the same thing.

  • James

    Patrick-I wish I was more of a history buff like yourself. It would be much easier and faster to respond. What I find is that the Treaty of Tripoli, as translated by Joel Barlow, is still up for debate over 200 years later. There is evidence to suggest that the Treaty of Tripoli in its original text (Arabic) may have never included Article 11 (your quote to support separation of church and state). In reference to James Madison, you would think that someone who was the mastermind behind the Bill of Rights would have been more specific in his intent, instead of adding written commentary at a later date. One might suggest that the lack of specificity was a way to help encourage its ratification among the states. Who knows? I think it's very interesting that you use James Madison as an example when in fact James Madison was a large supporter of majority rule (though conditioned on giving a voice to the minority). A “voice” does not imply that the minority individuality should rule.

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